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price hi everyone and welcome back to a

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special bonus episode of that UFO

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podcast a couple of months ago I spoke

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to Chief science editor head science

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writer and I'm going to quote a friend

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of ours um Ryan Sprague who called him a

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guy who really loves his warp drives

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I've got Christopher playing back with

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me on the podcast Chris welcome back

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Andy thanks for having me on and Ryan is

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correct I do love my warp drives that is

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a direct quote uh I'm not going to hold

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the paper up because I've got some notes

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on it but that dude loves his warp

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drives Ryan sprig so yeah that is the

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quote from today the 3rd of May as we

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record this listen Chris when we spoke a

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few months ago you teased an article was

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coming on the debrief that was going to

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be directly linked to the Chicago O'Hare

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UFO incident from 2006. before we get to

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the the new article co-authored by

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yourself and Micah Hanks let's just

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remind the listeners a little bit if you

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don't mind about that event itself and

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what's known about it

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yeah so uh the reason it was co-authored

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by Micah and myself is he's the UFO

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historian at the debris so I might have

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a few facts off here but my general

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understanding is is that in 2006 at a

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large Airport in Chicago which is the

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third largest city in the U.S by

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population so it's not a small City by

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any means and uh there I guess a baggage

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crew or baggage handlers or somebody

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working down around the airplanes

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saw an object over one of the runways

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and he described the object as being

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round or maybe even disc shaped and

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massive like like bigger than airplanes

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and just hovering in place over the

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runway and as that event evolved and as

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it got reported later and got researched

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later we found out that there were some

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other people that saw it maybe a pilot

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that was coming in on another plane saw

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something hovering in the same spot

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maybe some other crew because there was

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some research done by a Chicago Tribune

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writer back at the time and he reached

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out and was able to confirm I think half

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a dozen witnesses that more or less saw

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the same thing and all people that had

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nothing to do with each other so they

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were completely other than being there

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at that time

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were completely independent Witnesses

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and what they all described was more or

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less the same object this first guy

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described and then they describe

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something that people that are familiar

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with like for instance the Calvin photo

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incident in Scotland is this shooting

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straight up into the air that the craft

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at some point or whatever it was this

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thing that was hovering there shot

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straight up through the clouds there was

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a heavy Cloud bank and uh it left a

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perfect hole in the clouds what you know

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a atmospheric scientist referred to as a

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false Drake hole or a false recall and

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uh it's something that can happen

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naturally but uh and does from time to

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time happen around airports because of

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crafts going through them but in

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conjunction with the description of the

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craft the fact that it was hovering and

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all of that uh that so that's kind of

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the background of the incident there

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were some rumors that there might be a

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photo I remember I heard Andy I heard a

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Ryan Sprague do a show on this back when

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I first met him a few years ago

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and they had a tape of a woman who was

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in the tower I think who was talking to

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one of the people and you can hear her

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saying something to the effect of I

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understand the crew has some photos or

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have taken a photo of it so those photos

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have never come to light and no photos

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as far as we know of the hole in the

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clouds have come to light so like a lot

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of the history of the UFO subject we

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have an incredible story

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told by multiple Witnesses some of which

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are you know really respectable

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professional witnesses that would know

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the difference between a 747 and the

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flying disc and they all told of

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something that pretty much uh resembles

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something we're all used to hearing

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about those of us that follow the

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subject that sounded like a you know for

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lack of a better term a flying sauce or

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a flying disc and uh that shot through

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the clouds and left a hole in the clouds

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there are I was going to say there are

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some pictures floating about online none

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of them have ever been verified as being

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genuine so if anyone does see this is a

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picture of the Chicago O'Hare UFO it was

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November 7 2006 4 15 in the afternoon

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broad daylight the pictures nothing has

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ever been verified that's not to say

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that maybe one of the pictures is

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genuine but no one knows has never been

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said so it's one of those things that we

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have to go with right now none of that

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has been leaked out just in case anyone

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does see anything yeah and the uh we'll

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get into the folks that did the analysis

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to people trying to track down if there

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was anyone anywhere that could

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authenticate any one of these photos and

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there was just nothing to show that as

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you said the handful that are online

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either of the hole in the clouds I I

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even think there's a a photo or two of

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potentially of the object but yeah yeah

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I think none of that I think it's best

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to err on the the fact that none of

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those are authentic and just thinking

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back to that time and you're gonna take

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guy as well Chris we know that um 2006

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November 2006 camera phones were popular

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I remember I had one as a kid the

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picture quality though was it was

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lacking if people want to complain about

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the phone quality in 2023 2006 it was

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um so you weren't getting a high quality

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picture were you you're on your standard

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camera phone no not at all as a matter

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of fact I remember you know up until and

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before iPhones and was that 2008 2009

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somewhere in there

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um I knew many people that had phones

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with a camera on it that still carried a

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digital camera especially if they were

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on vacation or going somewhere they

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wanted to shoot photos because if you

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wanted a high quality image uh you

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either needed a traditional film camera

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or a high quality digital camera the the

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phone photos were uh you know uh like a

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a grainy security uh film you know not

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quite that bad but but pretty basic

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pretty fundamental okay for doing a

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close-up selfie but not not for shooting

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something in the air that you wouldn't

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want any detail on

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absolutely so here we are 2006 November

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7th like you've said the crew

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um some Pilots reportedly some workers

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um I don't know whether any civilians in

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the airport are rumored to have seen

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anything is that something that was

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mentioned uh you know what again so I I

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hate to keep defaulting here I I should

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have read my own article but uh that's

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why I partnered up with Mike on this

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when I was reached out by the

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researchers who have this new uh uh

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Theory and Analysis they wanted to put

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forward on the incident I reached out to

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Mike and said hey can you do all the

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backstory of Chicago it's like their

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voice Chris honestly I don't think there

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was it's largely always been commented

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that it was crew in in baggage and

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whatnot so and that's that's the folks

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I've talked about officially and the

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main thing is in the article like you've

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done the work here with the researchers

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and Mica they have done a lot of

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extensive research in the background to

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try and dig to see if there was anything

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else that they could bring up as well so

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that's totally fair it's a fascinating

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incident and for me it's just on the

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cusp of we had cameras but but they

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weren't that great so any images would

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have to have been from something more

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than likely handheld and we'll get to of

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course any of the data that may or may

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not exist as well and so the the article

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comes how does article come about

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because like you see it's a group of

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physicists physicists easy for me to say

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um Applied Physics around 30 of them

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have come together to run a scientific

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eye over this incident yeah so Applied

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Physics is a group I've written about a

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couple of times and uh I first met them

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as you know that I write about warp

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drive and it's one of the I write about

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exotic propulsion alternative propulsion

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em drives hall effect thrusters you name

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it if there's something in the The

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Cutting Edge of propulsion or or uh uh

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Aerospace I try and cover it so I had

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actually written uh the the founder two

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of the founders of Applied Physics a

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guy's name Johnny mertire who's an

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American and Alexi bobrick who I believe

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is uh lives in Sweden they

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partnered on a paper laying out what

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they called a physical warp drive and

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without getting too much into the weeds

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of warp drive Theory and then the stuff

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that's been laid out in the last 30

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they think they've solved a lot of the

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issues that plague Sunny White from NASA

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his famous warp drive or the original

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alcubiere warp driver any of those with

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the with the caveat that their warp

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drive design was something that would go

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just shy of the speed of light so it

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could get up to 99 the speed of light by

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warping time and you know by warping

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space space time to uh travel to distant

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stars but if the star was a you know

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five light years away it would take them

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five years to get there you know air

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over that to get there so but uh so so

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they're a physicist and that was a fun

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paper they did what they do in a

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practical sense

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I don't know if you're familiar with the

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think tank called Bell Labs but it

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doesn't have the name similar it's a

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name you will hear from time to time and

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basically government organizations or

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large financial institutions or Venture

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capitalists that are looking into new

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technology that they just don't

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understand these are basically the way

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you would hire a law firm to look over

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the contracts of something that you're

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thinking about doing Venture capitalists

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higher applied physicists Applied

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Physics to you know have guys on their

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team and they have men and women from

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around the world I say over 30 is the

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term I use all the time they they have

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some affiliate members and other

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part-time but their full-time crew is

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over 30 physicists from around the world

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and they look at projects and they look

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at uh you know a VC might come to them

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and say hey there's this whole new cell

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phone technology that you know is 10

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times better a whole new battery

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technology or whatever that they're

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thinking about investing in and this

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group does all the due diligence for

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them and so they will between their

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physicists they'll look at the research

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they'll study the history they speak

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multiple languages just as a side note

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here the founder Johnny told me one of

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the things that happens to them a lot is

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they will find Venture capitalists who

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have been presented with an investment

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opportunity and a technology that seems

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really amazing and really incredible and

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they'll find out it was something that

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was worked on in Russia in the 1990s or

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in Japan in the early 2000s or somewhere

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else and ultimately became a dead end

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got ruled out was put on the invention

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garbage heap and these con men kind of

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come across are using it to try and

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raise money right but if you don't speak

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Japanese or you don't speak Russian even

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the best physicists might not find these

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original uh you know pieces of

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information might not find these

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original patents or this original

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research that this is based on so they

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they represent a really unique skill set

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a really unique group a set of talents

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that has some really big money clients

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not people I can mention but they're

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really successful at what they do

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as it turns out uh I wrote about their

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warp drive Theory a couple years ago the

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two Founders and they became fans of the

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debrief and followed our writings and

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I've written a couple other stories on

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Research they've done but they reached

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out to me on this one back when you and

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I talked about it I think was about

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November or December of last year

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and he said you know Chris I know you

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guys write about UFOs from time to time

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and he says a couple of my physicists

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and I were sitting around talking about

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some famous UFO incidents because this

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is what we do for fun as scientists we

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try and figure out like you know what

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what was the Tic Tac what sort of

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propulsion in the in the Nimitz incident

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or what sort of things would would these

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Technologies represent how would they

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work and he said we keep coming back to

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this Chicago O'Hare incident for a

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couple of reasons one for the shape of

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the craft two for just the downright

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credibility of the witnesses that were

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all seem to be independent of each other

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and then three and and and foremost is

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that hole in the clouds the fact that

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the things shot straight up and left

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that perfect symmetrical hole in the

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clouds and he said to me you go you know

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it in warp Theory which is one of the

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things we work on

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that's a well-described phenomenon and

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something that you know it all tripped

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in our minds of hey you know this this

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of the options of what this could be

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this could have been a warp craft

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whether or not it was a human craft I'll

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talk about later but yeah and they do

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address that actually in the article uh

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but he said you know it occurred to us

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this could be a warp craft and I said

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okay well that's I write about warp

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drive so we got into the physics of it

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he sent me some of their basic

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information and everything and we talked

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about the pros and cons you know when

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you come into the UFO world with a new

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story or new analysis what everybody

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would really like is new information

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they would like yeah a new photo or a

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new video or an explanation and of

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course we didn't have any of that we had

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an analysis so we kind of went back and

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forth on is this of value and you know

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that oh Harrison is covered so much it

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is talked about so much and here I have

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a group of really successful mainstream

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scientists who are willing to engage on

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the topic and I thought for that benefit

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alone it is worth going ahead and taking

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these guys analysis having them put it

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all down together and in plain English

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for me as much as they could and then I

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work with Micah and between his

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knowledge of the history of the incident

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and my understanding of work drive and

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work mechanics we put together their

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analysis I had multiple interviews with

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the researchers involved at various

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steps along the way obviously uh

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multiple interactions with Johnny the

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founder on it

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and what you see that that written piece

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that came out earlier this week or

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yesterday or whenever that is the uh

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that is the culmination of a lot of the

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smart work by a lot of smart people

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trying to analyze something that has

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very little information

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but has enough unique qualities about

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the incident that they as he said we

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keep coming back to it is work theorists

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and going it would answer you know in in

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theoretical physics

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things like string theory or dark matter

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the reason those ideas exist is because

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they explain a phenomenon that we see

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but we don't understand so that was

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their idea was it's just Theory but so

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is dark matter and so is string theory

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and so are supersymmetry and M Theory

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and a lot of these other things in

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physics so you said as theoretical

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physicists

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sure could there have just been a

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natural hole in the clouds and a bunch

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of people made up a story about a disc

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in the sky of course

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but if you take a circumstance where

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these people don't seem to know each

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other you do seem to have some skilled

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observers in there including at least

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one pilot who can be heard in the tape

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talking to the people on the tower

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saying yeah we saw it when we were

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coming in too we saw the same object so

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when you mix in the quality of the

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witnesses the the weather phenomenon the

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fact that the temperature wasn't really

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right for that day for this hole in the

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clouds to have happened naturally that

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there should have been some sort of

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artificial object the movement of the

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craft as far as shooting straight up

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vertically and then the shape of the

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crap all of those things are answered if

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the answer is a warp uh spacecraft so it

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doesn't mean that is the answer but it

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means of the proposed answers that one

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answers all the questions it matches all

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the witness testimony and evidence that

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is available including the fact and not

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limited to that it didn't show up on

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radar that the FAA and the airport says

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it doesn't show up on radar and as

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pointed out in the article a warp craft

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would not show up on radar because the

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way it would bend the radar signal

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around it it would just dissipate just

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like a stealth crap

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it's interesting timing Chris because

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speaking to Ryan Sprague today and those

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interviews are going to be what kind of

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a day or so apart from each other his

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new book stories from somewhere in the

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skies give it another plug

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um it's about testimony and people's

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sightings people's experiences there's

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no data behind it there's no evidence

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other than people have got in touch with

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Ryan including myself and shared their

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story and Ryan puts out there for others

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to digest and analyze in their own time

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this is interesting that the Chicago

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O'Hare incident as far as we know like

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you say no FAA data no radar data no

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photographic or video evidence is purely

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testimony

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does it show a bit of a shift in

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scientific and academic thinking that a

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group as serious as this are willing to

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look at an incident based purely on

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testimony I think this is why this is so

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exciting and I can tell you that I know

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behind the scenes uh the scientific

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Coalition for UAP studies which is

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another group of scientists they've

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actually saw the article we put out and

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they actually have reached out to us and

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we've put them in touch with this group

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and because they want to coordinate

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efforts and collaborate because they saw

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a lot of exciting things in there here's

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what I'd like to do for your viewers

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without trying to win listeners without

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trying to bore them is Andy let's go

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back to 1947.

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and before and the start of military

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scientific UFO investigations up to in

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about let's say 1952 or so where Blue

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Book just kind of became a a a

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misinformation campaign to just get

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people to not pay attention but in those

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early years what you would hear about

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and we historically hear about oh there

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was a a sighting in Michigan and Jay

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Allen heineck flew out there and

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analyzed the scene and looked at data

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and so forth and would try and determine

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what people were seeing before there was

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stigma before people were afraid to talk

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about it that's exactly what those

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scientists on uh project sign and even

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project Grudge to a smaller degree after

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that that's what they were doing you

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know the Twining memo came even before

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all of that General Nathan Twining was

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the first one who got the job they said

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hey go grab a bunch of scientists and

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figure out if these reports of disks are

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real or not and what they would do was

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talk to Witnesses because they didn't

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have a lot of film they didn't have a

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lot of radar data they didn't have a lot

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of forensic data so they had to rely on

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the determination of how credible are

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the witnesses that we're talking to

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how independent is their information

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from each other

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and then what does their information

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sound like if we add it all up together

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can we go uh you know it probably was uh

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swap gas and that would be consistent

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with the environment and where the

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angles people saw it from and the color

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and things like that that's what

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scientists have done with UFOs from the

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very beginning

547
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so we went through the whole period

548
00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:52,559
since you know my entire lifetime I was

549
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:55,620
born in 1969 the year that blue book

550
00:22:02,029 --> 00:21:59,039
shut down and so my entire lifetime

551
00:22:04,690 --> 00:22:02,039
there's pretty much been this we don't

552
00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:04,700
look at UFO cases from a scientific

553
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,100
angle because it'll associate you with

554
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,840
Supernatural thinking or magical

555
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:12,240
thinking or it's just not scientific

556
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,940
I can tell you that

557
00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:17,520
that has changed so much in the last few

558
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:20,039
years and my time at the debrief I just

559
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,140
that's what I do my job is to talk to

560
00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:24,000
scientists I talk to multiple scientists

561
00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:26,580
a week from a range of different fields

562
00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:29,720
and a range of different topics and

563
00:22:38,510 --> 00:22:34,380
universally the attitude about UFOs is I

564
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,520
would say is reset to that original we

565
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:40,320
don't give a about that we don't we

566
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,659
don't care about the negativity we don't

567
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:45,360
care about the stigma we're scientists

568
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:48,299
and we're curious and we want to know so

569
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:50,700
they are more than willing like

570
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:55,200
scientists in 1947 and 1948 and and and

571
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,380
now are finally willing to look at this

572
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:00,240
thing objectively and go let's just

573
00:23:06,649 --> 00:23:03,480
forget about any crazy magical thinking

574
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:06,659
let's set all that aside what are people

575
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:10,320
saying they saw and what what could that

576
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,840
be what you know if we could argue all

577
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:14,880
day if David fraver and Alex Dietrich

578
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:17,760
and their other pilot made up the Tic

579
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,220
Tac incident or where are the tapes of

580
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:21,840
that information we could argue about

581
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:24,600
that forever and we may never know or we

582
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,179
can say here's really three trained

583
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,520
observers who are pilots who should be

584
00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:31,679
familiar with things in the air let's go

585
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:33,659
ahead and assume we're taking them at

586
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,940
their word and for a scientific purpose

587
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:37,919
let's look at it and see what they saw

588
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:40,679
so the Chicago o'herence and I think is

589
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:43,440
a perfect one for scientists to do

590
00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:46,679
exactly that and yeah this is a it's

591
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:48,179
just completely different it's just I

592
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:49,799
tell people all the time I followed this

593
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:52,020
topic throughout the 80s the 90s the

594
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:56,159
2000s and the attitude of 21st century

595
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,780
scientists

596
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,000
space doesn't seem magical the way it

597
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,000
did in the 1950s or the 1960s other

598
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,100
dimensions don't seem magical the way

599
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,860
they did at that time uh even even the

600
00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:09,480
idea of time travel although it's not

601
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:12,299
one of my favorites uh it's something

602
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:14,280
that scientists are open to and talk

603
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:18,000
about so uh I I don't think we're stuck

604
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:19,980
in that position anymore I think we're

605
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,559
now in a position where again these

606
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:24,299
people make a living off their

607
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,059
scientific credentials huge Venture

608
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:29,760
capitalists and big Financial firms hire

609
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,940
them to look at real world things and

610
00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:36,000
say is this viable or not so to have a

611
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:38,900
group like Applied Physics who's written

612
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:42,299
research papers and and and really are

613
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:45,240
accomplished scientists uh to come

614
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,220
forward and say you know what would be

615
00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:50,640
fun is to look in an incident that is

616
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:52,820
popular in the culture that we think

617
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:56,220
really seems to match something specific

618
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:59,100
that we know a lot about which is warp

619
00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,240
drive

620
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,820
well Chris time travel is possible and

621
00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:04,559
happening right now because while I talk

622
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,539
to you the listener listening to this

623
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:08,280
hasn't even heard it yet it's not even

624
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:09,780
put out yet so they are listening to it

625
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:12,539
in the future so hello to the Future

626
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,000
um your point though you mentioned

627
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,700
earlier about the conclusion

628
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:19,919
the conclusion is that probability of

629
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,799
this being an ET craft is low well they

630
00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:24,240
talk about what Drive is completely

631
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:26,279
serious and the physics and the

632
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:27,900
propulsion it may be behind it they do

633
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,840
stress that it's unlikely given the

634
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:33,000
whole chance of everything that this is

635
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:35,640
an extraterrestrial craft however

636
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:38,220
is that just because we as a species

637
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:40,380
still forget you're a fan of the UFO

638
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:41,940
topic listening to this I'm like myself

639
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:45,179
Andrew Chris we've never confirmed a

640
00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:48,360
single visitation yet that 100 is out in

641
00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:50,340
public this happened we were visited

642
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:53,700
once and say we do say say tonight after

643
00:25:57,649 --> 00:25:56,340
we record this they catch a glimpse of

644
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,659
something

645
00:26:01,789 --> 00:26:00,000
out in space flying past the moon and it

646
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:01,799
goes past we don't even get to see it

647
00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:03,539
okay so just imagine hypothetical

648
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:06,659
situation for some reason Elon Musk

649
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:09,419
SpaceX is launching up and it catches on

650
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:12,539
camera proper E.T looking craft and wow

651
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,580
the world goes mad we've got confirmed

652
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:16,380
existence we are not alone

653
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,500
does that then Force every scientist to

654
00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:21,539
go back to every single incident and

655
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,700
look and go actually do we now have to

656
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:26,400
run the ETI over this and look at it in

657
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,700
a totally different way well so I think

658
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:31,679
this is already happening so this is

659
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:33,480
this is one of my favorite things that's

660
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:35,220
happening in science about this topic

661
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:37,320
and I think exactly what you're saying

662
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,500
is is what is bound to happen

663
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:43,020
I tell people this all the time say we

664
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,460
uh forget about a UFO say we caught uh

665
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:49,860
evidence of a civilization on another

666
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:51,900
planet with the telescope Saint James

667
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,840
Webb looks at a planet and looks at

668
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:56,760
pollution in the atmosphere of that

669
00:27:02,029 --> 00:26:59,580
planet looks at light signatures or em

670
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:02,039
signatures and they go there is a

671
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,340
civilization there our first impulse

672
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:07,200
would be to figure out how do we send a

673
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:08,820
probe there how do we send something

674
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,640
there to go take a look at it the second

675
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:13,799
question I would think we would ask is

676
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,900
if we're seeing them have they already

677
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,460
seen us

678
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,919
how long have they been seeing us and

679
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:21,900
have they sent someone to check out have

680
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,120
they sent a probe to us already just

681
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,640
because we're just now finding them and

682
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:28,559
I think this is a point I make to people

683
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,059
all the time and I think this is an

684
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:32,400
important point to make

685
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:37,860
I don't if there had never been one UFO

686
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:39,720
sighting in the history of the world if

687
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:41,700
it just didn't exist it was something we

688
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:43,620
never talked about it just wasn't a

689
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:45,000
subject ever the idea of

690
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,919
extraterrestrial all of that

691
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:49,679
it would still be the materialist

692
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,620
scientist point of view that there

693
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,799
should be life throughout the cosmos

694
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,600
that much of that life should be more

695
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:59,520
advanced than us just based on the fact

696
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,799
that the cosmos is 14 billion years

697
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:04,140
older just shy of it and our planet's

698
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:05,820
only been here for the last four billion

699
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,299
and change so just based on time and

700
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,840
space and the fact that the cosmos is

701
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,700
made of ordinary stuff it's not

702
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,039
Supernatural in any way other planets

703
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:18,720
are made out of the same carbon that

704
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,940
we're made out of in the same oxygen we

705
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:22,799
see water around Plant we see water

706
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,340
around Stars we see all the same stuff

707
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:29,760
so if there are a thousand yards in your

708
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:32,580
neighborhood and yours has grass and

709
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:34,679
every other yard has the same sort of

710
00:28:39,289 --> 00:28:36,659
dirt the same sort of whatever dude

711
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:39,299
chances are of most of those yards have

712
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:42,960
grass that's just a materialistic

713
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,659
scientist point of view so scientists

714
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:48,720
have avoided the UFO topic for so long

715
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:51,720
because it's connected to visitations

716
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:55,020
and crop circles and abductions and and

717
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,659
again like Supernatural maybe it's

718
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:59,279
paranormal or maybe they're coming from

719
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:00,840
the future maybe they're From Another

720
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,720
Dimension and that is Chase scientists

721
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:06,120
away from that but if you ask scientists

722
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:09,240
what their position was about are is

723
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:12,380
there life on other planets almost

724
00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:15,659
universally now scientists say life

725
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,059
should be common throughout the cosmos

726
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:20,820
it's the it's it's more or less a

727
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:22,380
universally accepted thing if you ask

728
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,260
scientists and they all fall back on the

729
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:27,600
I just don't think it's visited us yet

730
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:29,880
or I don't think it's come here to which

731
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,220
I often say so you're willing to believe

732
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:33,720
in science you're willing to believe

733
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,020
that if matter is ordinary and the if

734
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:39,419
the cosmos is not Supernatural but is a

735
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,880
natural phenomenon and the materialist

736
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:44,159
interpretation is that there should just

737
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:45,899
be life everywhere and a lot of it

738
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,820
should have come before just based on

739
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:50,399
the age of the cosmos then you're

740
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,960
telling me that you don't believe in

741
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,480
evolution because evolution is a

742
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,360
reaction to Natural Forces so on other

743
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,240
planets if there's Evolution guess what

744
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,200
you're going to end up with

745
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:04,140
technologically modern uh beings they

746
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,419
may not be humans per se but you're

747
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,399
going to end up with with creatures that

748
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,799
can use technology that can travel into

749
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,480
space that can do the things that we're

750
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,640
doing and probably did that a long time

751
00:30:18,909 --> 00:30:16,919
before us so I think we're going to

752
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:18,919
reach a point where

753
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:21,059
scientists are going to find signs of

754
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:25,260
microscopic life in in Mars or the gases

755
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:28,200
of Jupiter we may find more complex life

756
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,880
in the oceans of Europa and the uh IO

757
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,039
and some of these other locations I

758
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,919
think we will find bio signatures in the

759
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:40,320
atmospheres of exoplanets planets around

760
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:44,460
other stars and this idea that life is

761
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,159
everywhere that life is natural not

762
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:49,679
Supernatural that there's only only

763
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:51,539
intelligent creatures on Earth you know

764
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:53,880
it's almost this you look at scientists

765
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,320
and you go you know in the old days they

766
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:57,360
would laugh at this the Earth is the

767
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,880
center of the universe and God makes all

768
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:02,159
the decisions and humans are at the top

769
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,140
of the pyramid and we find out well

770
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:06,000
humans are just animals like every other

771
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,220
animal used to say when you ascribed

772
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,919
emotions to an animal that you were

773
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:12,059
anthropomorphizing it as it turns out

774
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,220
all animals have emotions oh they all

775
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,799
have personalities just like us we're

776
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,600
just one of the animals we're not that

777
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:20,340
spectacular tackler we're just a little

778
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:22,140
bit smarter and more ingenious than the

779
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:23,820
other ones so we can build stuff and

780
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,120
shoot stuff and fly in the sky so this

781
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,399
idea that scientists are coming around

782
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:30,720
to

783
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,320
not only should the ET hypothesis be a

784
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:37,200
valid one just in the sense that it's

785
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,059
just the way the nature should be it's

786
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,580
just there should be life everywhere it

787
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,320
should evolve there should be

788
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,480
technological species and I can tell you

789
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:47,039
a lot of scientists think this way

790
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,120
already

791
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,820
that resistance was so strong at the

792
00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:53,220
dawn of the UFO phenomenon because we

793
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:54,779
hadn't even been to space we didn't know

794
00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:57,240
if you could fly in space in the 40s we

795
00:32:02,090 --> 00:31:59,520
hadn't been to the Moon we didn't hadn't

796
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:02,100
never imaged another planet I had a

797
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:03,539
professor I think I've told you this

798
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,140
before but I started UCLA in 1987 and I

799
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:09,360
had an astronomy Professor who told me

800
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,419
he would bet his retirement that we will

801
00:32:16,990 --> 00:32:14,700
never find a planet around another star

802
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:17,000
because at that point we hadn't

803
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:20,100
scientists were sure there's not well

804
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:21,720
guess what they're not going to find

805
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,460
plants around other stars we found it

806
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:25,140
we're not going to find Rocky ones we

807
00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:26,279
found them they're not going to be your

808
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,779
size we found them they're not going to

809
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:29,279
have water we found them they're not

810
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,659
going to be in the habitable zone we

811
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:32,700
found them the next thing to find is

812
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,179
life and I think it will not only be it

813
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:38,460
will be huge for us because we're waking

814
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:41,460
up to that knowledge but cosmically I

815
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:42,840
don't think it's a big deal at all I

816
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:45,000
just think life is everywhere and I tell

817
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,380
people all the time if there had never

818
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,679
been a UFO ever reported I still think

819
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,539
aliens are watching us because I think

820
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:53,039
they've been around longer than we have

821
00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:55,080
and I think there's civilizations on

822
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,539
planets that were within 100 light years

823
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,000
200 light years or less that have the

824
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:02,159
ability to observe us that evolved to

825
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,000
the point that they're either

826
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:04,980
technological civilizations meaning

827
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,399
their AIS or their super biological

828
00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:10,860
situation uh civilizations meaning they

829
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:13,320
can live to 2 000 years 3000 years old

830
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:16,019
and Andy if you and I can live to 2 000

831
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,380
years suddenly a ship that goes half the

832
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,360
speed of light that's got to go to a

833
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,519
star 20 light years away it's going to

834
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,310
right like yeah

835
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:30,000
when we set them

836
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:32,100
set the Furs up the more recently in the

837
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:34,380
90s I remember watching those go I

838
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:36,059
remember watching them land doing their

839
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:37,620
whole mission spirit and opportunity

840
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:40,260
going through that whole process so I

841
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:41,700
know I'm going in a lot of directions

842
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:44,820
here but this is where I think we're at

843
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:47,880
I think we are at the point where the

844
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:50,760
conventional wisdom for science

845
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:55,679
should be and is becoming that E.T life

846
00:34:03,529 --> 00:33:56,820
exists

847
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,539
last hurdle for them to admit is as I

848
00:34:06,889 --> 00:34:05,039
said well I just don't think they've

849
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,899
come to visit us because if they say

850
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:08,159
that

851
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:10,200
then they have to get into the UFO

852
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:12,119
conversation and they don't want to get

853
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:13,980
into the UFO conversation because of

854
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:16,619
crop circles abductions Supernatural

855
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:18,419
thinking and the things that go with

856
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,040
that they still want to feel like I'm a

857
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,839
credible scientist and I need evidence

858
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:23,700
and this is the way I look at things

859
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,760
when it comes to the philosophy of life

860
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,520
NASA has astrobiologists now they didn't

861
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,440
have astrobiologists there's people

862
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:34,200
employed by NASA whose job it is to

863
00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:35,940
study something we haven't even found

864
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:38,339
yet to study life on another planet

865
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:40,679
whether it's microscopic organisms or

866
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,260
complex life those jobs exist because

867
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,940
it's just something we know we're gonna

868
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,679
find the same way when they were

869
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,200
searching for the Higgs Bosa at the

870
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,119
certain collider it was just something

871
00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:53,040
we knew we were going to find because it

872
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,139
had to exist because of the way science

873
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:58,020
works because the way physics works so I

874
00:35:03,170 --> 00:34:59,640
think the way physics and chemistry and

875
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,180
those things were life is going to be

876
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,000
cross the cosmos across billions of

877
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,220
Worlds and we're going to see it at all

878
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,260
levels of development from societies

879
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,359
that have completely gone extinct

880
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:15,359
billions of years ago to societies that

881
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:17,820
planets that are just like we were three

882
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:19,560
four five hundred thousand years after

883
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,820
our formation were those first little

884
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:24,960
microscopic cells were starting to

885
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:27,839
create amino acids and go from inert

886
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:30,839
objects into life so I think that's

887
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,540
that's the path we're on just because

888
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:35,579
we're so much more modern than we were

889
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:39,119
When the UFO phenomenon happened so that

890
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:41,700
that that's my my long shirt version

891
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:44,700
there on that subject you know and the

892
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:45,960
week that Jerry Springers passed away

893
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,339
that would have been a wonderful final

894
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,200
thought to wrap up on Chris and you

895
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:51,180
explained it eloquently and the science

896
00:35:54,410 --> 00:35:53,099
behind it and all the magical ways we

897
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:54,420
could discover

898
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,820
ET life out there I was so well put you

899
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,980
did miss one you missed one really

900
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:00,780
obvious one though and I think when we

901
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:02,700
start spending sending space tourists

902
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:05,880
like Kanye West up with an iPhone 14. I

903
00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:08,339
hope Kanye's window just takes that

904
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:11,000
picture uh but no in all seriousness

905
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:13,619
that's for me as so many opportunities

906
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,300
and I've got so much great technology

907
00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:17,880
like the James Webb like

908
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:20,040
Elon Musk pushing it with SpaceX is

909
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:21,480
whatever people think of them you know

910
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:22,980
putting more and more stuff into space

911
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:26,040
he's he seems to have pushed NASA a

912
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:27,480
little bit more as well into the

913
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,160
conversation and I wonder without any

914
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,440
Elon Musk in his kind of decade attitude

915
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,079
you know would NASA even be pushing the

916
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:36,480
way they are missions on Mars we'd still

917
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,700
be flying in Russian capsules to the

918
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:40,560
space station the Boeing capsule still

919
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,820
isn't done the one that was supposed to

920
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,920
be done like a decade ago still isn't

921
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,079
done the fact that SpaceX jumped in the

922
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:48,240
race did it for half the price got it

923
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:50,460
done 10 years earlier and now our

924
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,020
astronauts go back and forth to the

925
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,480
space station on the SpaceX capsule as

926
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,400
opposed to a Russian capsule that we

927
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,800
gotta pay 10 times as much to fly up on

928
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:00,720
because we're essentially subsidizing

929
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:03,720
their space program forget about it I I

930
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:06,599
have a lot of frustration with Elon Musk

931
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,619
when it comes to talking about world

932
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,359
population and economics and stuff

933
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:11,460
because he's a wealthy people that wants

934
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:13,859
people to constantly want Society to

935
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:16,440
grow because it uh risks the economy

936
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:18,300
when Society shrink and there are Japan

937
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:21,480
and there are good cases for that but uh

938
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,339
as far as his accomplishments in space

939
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,280
they're unequaled in my lifetime

940
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:28,079
well Chris is there anything else you're

941
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,160
working on at the minute that you want

942
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,280
to talk about

943
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,839
uh nothing that I can share that I

944
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:35,579
overly want to tease I will tell you one

945
00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:37,260
thing I would always like to tell people

946
00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:39,780
when talking about this subject the last

947
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,820
thought I would give you is I'm not

948
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,740
against time travelers from the past

949
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:45,660
just time travelers from the future

950
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,440
because traveling from the past is from

951
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,400
a scientific standpoint it's very simple

952
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,160
if I uh got in a rocket ship and I

953
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,800
wanted to go to a thousand years in the

954
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,200
future right now I just cruise up to

955
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:04,260
about 90 99 the speed of light I hold it

956
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:06,119
for a couple of years and when I land

957
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,839
because of uh Einstein relativity a

958
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,520
thousand years or 500 years or whatever

959
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:14,160
the the speed I went and the amount of

960
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:16,020
time I went would have passed on Earth

961
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:18,060
so I tell people all the time if there

962
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,760
was an advanced civilization a million

963
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:22,800
years ago 100 million years ago a

964
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,900
billion years ago on our planet on

965
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:26,460
another planet whatever

966
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:29,839
the idea that they would send

967
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:33,540
explorers into the future

968
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,200
simply by going really fast is is very

969
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:39,119
fundamentally and scientifically sound

970
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:41,400
and it's a proven principle we've proven

971
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,740
that relativity they've put clocks on an

972
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,180
airplane and put one on the ground some

973
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,040
to the same town and the one at the

974
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,720
airplane was a little bit behind because

975
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,060
the clock didn't move as as fast because

976
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:53,339
it was on the airplane so time on the

977
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:56,220
ground moved fast that is a proven basic

978
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,820
fundamental physics uh phenomenon so I

979
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,560
am open to because I get a lot of

980
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:02,880
questions about time travel it's

981
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,099
probably the most common email question

982
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:07,760
I get about because I'm such a pro ET

983
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,940
hypothesis guy and I just say you know I

984
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,980
don't mind the idea of trans-dimensional

985
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,440
beings and from other dimensions it's

986
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:18,000
just nothing that

987
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,339
we don't know if other dimensions exist

988
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:22,440
that's something within supersymmetry

989
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:25,740
and M Theory and M Theory and and string

990
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:28,020
theory they fail a lot of tests in the

991
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:29,640
lab a lot so there's not a lot of good

992
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:32,220
backing for them and time travel from

993
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:33,960
the future to the Past again there's not

994
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,460
really a lot supporting that other than

995
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:37,440
maybe in the quantum realm there's a

996
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:38,940
little bit of backwards time travel I've

997
00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:40,740
written about that

998
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:43,079
but yeah I think uh forwards time travel

999
00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:47,339
uh is uh not only uh valid it's real and

1000
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:48,839
it's something that we'll probably do at

1001
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:49,859
some point you know there will probably

1002
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:52,260
be a point in the future where humans

1003
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:55,079
are able to go fast enough that the idea

1004
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,060
of hey do we want to send an astronaut

1005
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,640
or astronauts into the future by sending

1006
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:02,400
them in a really fast Arc for a year and

1007
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:04,020
coming back to Earth

1008
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:07,380
500 years from now and uh so it's you

1009
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,000
know if we have visitors that are

1010
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,760
non-human that people say oh well I'm

1011
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,200
not sure if they're from another planet

1012
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:15,180
or another time or another dimension

1013
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:17,880
they could just be from the past

1014
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,300
I've always said that also helps explain

1015
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:22,500
multi-generational abductions when

1016
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:25,020
people say why would a family 100 years

1017
00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:28,020
or 150 years of family lineage be so

1018
00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:30,119
interesting to another species or an

1019
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,000
advanced species if for them that 150

1020
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,040
years was 10 minutes that they were

1021
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:37,140
dropping into Chris's father and Chris's

1022
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,180
father's father and then Chris and then

1023
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,800
you know I hope not that your kids and

1024
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:42,839
and down the line for them that could

1025
00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:45,060
just be a small amount of time but for

1026
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:47,060
us it was hundreds of years

1027
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:49,800
absolutely yeah no but yeah I completely

1028
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,260
agree and I I do think

1029
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:54,599
I'm not a I'm not a big believer in the

1030
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:57,540
abduction phenomenon just because of you

1031
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:59,339
know there have been too many Travis

1032
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,320
Waltons and too many fake cases that

1033
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:04,079
have come along that you know

1034
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:07,380
showed nefarious intent uh I I had a

1035
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,060
science fiction writer a fellow science

1036
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,400
fiction writer tell me years ago that uh

1037
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,200
if he didn't sell a novel he was going

1038
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:15,119
to do a Whitley strieber right which was

1039
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,160
Whitley was a science fiction writer who

1040
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,280
didn't sell that well and uh and so he

1041
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:22,500
said hey you know what if I write a real

1042
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,079
science fiction so that's my take on him

1043
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,359
but doesn't mean that's true or false

1044
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:29,520
that's just my take on it but his whole

1045
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:31,020
opinion which is totally fair you're

1046
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:32,160
gonna lose your opinion don't worry

1047
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:33,960
about that yeah and again that's what's

1048
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,940
the where we're still at you know as I

1049
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:37,440
think Mick West said about my story

1050
00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:39,180
yesterday it still lives in the low

1051
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,460
information Zone and as much as I don't

1052
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,920
like when people write snarky comments

1053
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,780
or derisive comments and I commented

1054
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:47,700
about that on Twitter because I do think

1055
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,140
we're just people trying to understand

1056
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,359
something here and I think that's the

1057
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:53,220
the value of these scientists I'm

1058
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,900
working with are trying to bring to this

1059
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,119
and the yeah so the one thing I'll leave

1060
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:00,060
people with is uh were interesting times

1061
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:03,660
uh you know Andy with the

1062
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:06,420
there's a lot of talk

1063
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:08,820
I get this behind the scenes too and you

1064
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,920
know the people I work at with at the

1065
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,200
debrief there's a lot of talk of

1066
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:15,599
whistleblowers lately there's a lot of

1067
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:19,500
talk of Crash retrievals of reverse

1068
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,440
engineering of uh I think Ross Coulter

1069
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:24,720
calls it the program

1070
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,800
um

1071
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:28,079
and I think we're at a point where

1072
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,460
something very interesting is going to

1073
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:32,160
break with that and it's either gonna be

1074
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,680
we're gonna get the list of these

1075
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,140
whistleblower Witnesses and we're gonna

1076
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,839
roll our eyes and go it's all here say

1077
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,520
Witnesses it's all people saying well I

1078
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,200
knew a guy who said he worked on the

1079
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,599
program or I was in a building once and

1080
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,520
somebody told me behind that door as a

1081
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,680
saucer I didn't see it but you know

1082
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,599
we're either going to find that

1083
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:54,240
or we're gonna hear what the people are

1084
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:57,540
claiming to us and to me and people I

1085
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:59,099
talk to behind the scenes that that's

1086
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:00,660
not what we're gonna hear that we're

1087
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:01,980
gonna hear

1088
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,819
I worked on it I had my hands on alien

1089
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,160
craft my job was to attempt to reverse

1090
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,680
engineer and in the article we wrote

1091
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,440
about the O'Hare incident the reason my

1092
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,079
guys Applied Physics said they didn't

1093
00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:19,020
think it was a human-made warp craft and

1094
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:21,060
if it was a work craft it would have to

1095
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,339
be non-human

1096
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:25,920
is because Science and Technology are

1097
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,579
incremental so that progress to a

1098
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:31,859
full-blown work drive has a lot of steps

1099
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:34,140
along the way and the handful of people

1100
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,540
that are working on that science are all

1101
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:38,400
people he and his team know I know a lot

1102
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:40,020
of them too because I've written so many

1103
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:42,420
Eric Lance and sunny white and all these

1104
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,700
other people in the warp Community but

1105
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:46,800
they look at technology and they look at

1106
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,619
advancement and they say if it can do

1107
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:52,079
this we didn't build it because we

1108
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:53,640
didn't do the steps to you know people

1109
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,140
talk about it all the time if you found

1110
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,800
the 747 in the desert 3000 years ago

1111
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:01,680
yeah the technology to make the seats

1112
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,480
the technology to make the little

1113
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,760
plastic knobs the technology to make all

1114
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:07,920
the gauges the technology to refine the

1115
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,380
fuel that it flew all those incremental

1116
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,940
technologies that are all working

1117
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,119
together for that thing to do so I think

1118
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:17,040
we're at an interesting time where we

1119
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,119
may

1120
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,680
you know the bubble is going to burst

1121
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:21,839
one way or the other either we're gonna

1122
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:24,180
hear you guys aren't getting any of it

1123
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:26,700
there's no disclosure no photos no

1124
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,980
videos all the things that Elizondo and

1125
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:30,599
melon and all these people have teased

1126
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:33,180
Gary Nolan that oh there's better Harry

1127
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:35,400
Reid it's all there he said all those

1128
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:37,140
photos and videos all there

1129
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:39,240
some of that is either going to come out

1130
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,220
via and I don't think it's going to be

1131
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:42,960
government I do think it will ultimately

1132
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:44,339
be

1133
00:44:48,609 --> 00:44:46,140
a whistleblower

1134
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,619
who worked on a crowd if it exists

1135
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:50,880
standing in front of it that's what we

1136
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,980
need we need a photo of an engineer

1137
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:55,140
standing in front of a flying saucer

1138
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,920
going

1139
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,079
Tada and then he says here's a picture

1140
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:00,180
of me 20 years ago when I worked on the

1141
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:03,000
craft and I'm willing to name names say

1142
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:04,920
where I work say the names of the other

1143
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:07,020
scientists I work with the people who

1144
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,540
paid my paycheck and all that so I think

1145
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:11,940
we're at a point where that's going to

1146
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,800
break one way or the other and I think

1147
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:15,599
the negative people always ah we'll

1148
00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,579
never learn anything and the positive

1149
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:20,460
people will say it's a matter of time I

1150
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:22,380
think we don't know but we are in the

1151
00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:24,060
most interesting time of the UFO

1152
00:45:27,950 --> 00:45:26,460
phenomenon there's no doubt about it and

1153
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,960
something's going to break one way or

1154
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:29,640
the other so I'll I'll leave it at that

1155
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:31,380
but everything I'm hearing Something's

1156
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,000
Gonna Break I feel like we're within a

1157
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,800
year or something break that is all for

1158
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:36,720
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1159
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,760
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1160
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00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,280
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1170
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,579
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1171
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:07,200
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1174
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they thought this was noise